[Mnbird] binocular thread.
cncole at earthlink.net
Fri May 15 21:54:16 CDT 2015
Superstitions are very persistent. Real data about any optics is much
harder to understand than marketing hype.
Maybe it's not "Minnesotan" to directly ask exactly what imaging improvement
those high prices bought :-)
like trying to teach pigs to sing... you get dirty, and the pigs continue to
wallow in the muck.
I agree: nuffa dis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schumacher, Paul [mailto:PSchumacher at winona.edu]
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 7:17 PM
> To: Chuck Cole; 'Mark Boenish'; mnbird at lists.mnbird.net
> Subject: [Mnbird]binocular thread.
> This thread is causing more heat than light. Time to stop.
> Paul Schumacher
> List admin.
> From: Mnbird [mnbird-bounces at lists.mnbird.net] on behalf of
> Chuck Cole via Mnbird [mnbird at lists.mnbird.net]
> Sent: 15 May 2015 17:08
> To: 'Mark Boenish'; mnbird at lists.mnbird.net
> Subject: RE: [Mnbird] Ferhnglässer
> Everything in the Swarovski 'reviews" you cite is advertising
> rubbish and
> thus deserving of disrespect.
> There is NO point of optical performance measure and none of
> comparison at
> Geometric measures of the external bodies are at most red
> herrings to make
> folks think they have seen meaningful data when there is no MEASURED
> information at all regarding OPTICAL quality. Such optical
> measurements of
> multi-spectral resolution are routinely used in professional
> circles, so
> their absence is quite conspicuous. Hobbyists may not know
> what they mean,
> but can learn to spot their absence and maybe also learn a little.
> The Swarovski optical claims for flint glass, dielectric
> coatings, field
> flattening and so on have been common industry practice since
> the early
> 1970s and are in no way unique or better in their products.
> Leica and Zeiss
> are good, but are also over-priced and are outclassed by
> others that are
> also more durable. Measured performance is real and what counts!
> These Swarovski reviews are largely author's hype and cite
> nearly trivial
> measurements. Lacking quantitative measures of
> center-to-edge corrections,
> color fringing and so on merely supports my earlier
> statements that these
> ads are hype, do not contain pertinent information.
> Companies selling such
> high-priced things merely pay writers more to build the hype
> that makes
> folks buy without any real data and real tests. Some of the
> Bushnell binocs
> I've tested match the higher priced brands easily. I've seen
> cases where
> different units of the same brand and model differ greatly,
> and some are
> truly bad. I've seen others delivered with major defects in
> their factory
> coatings. The "Jupiter test" is always required no matter
> how much faith
> and superstition a "believer" may have.
> You seem utterly mesmerized and taken in by hype alone.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mnbird [mailto:mnbird-bounces at lists.mnbird.net] On
> > Behalf Of Mark Boenish via Mnbird
> > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:50 AM
> > To: mnbird at lists.mnbird.net
> > Subject: [Mnbird] Ferhnglässer
> > I have to put in a word for the Swarovski EL binoculars as
> > others have expressed some disrespect for these fine
> > instruments. These are simply optically the best binoculars
> > on the market at the present time. A similar amount of money
> > can buy you very nearly as good of a product from Zeiss or
> > Leica, significantly less money will buy you a solid product
> > from Meopta, a modest amount of money will buy you binocs
> > that will get the job done from a variety of makers.
> > Personally, I worked my way up over the decades from
> > inexpensive Bushnell 7x50s to Bausch and Laumb 7x50s to Zeiss
> > 7x50s to Swarovski 10x32 ELs about ten years ago. There is a
> > difference as you work your way up the price range. I just
> > had my eyes examined and was delighted to learn that my 53
> > year old eyes are still 20/20 with no sign of eye disease
> > (this was a concern as glaucoma runs in my family). I
> > celebrated by ordering Swarovski EL 10x50s. They should be
> > arriving this afternoon! I have tried these out several times
> > and they are the bomb for long range raptor viewing. Almost
> > magical. If you don't believe me check out these reviews:
> > http://www.allbinos.com/251-binoculars_review-Swarovski_EL_8.5
> > x42_Swarovision.html
> > http://www.bestbinocularsreviews.com/Swarovski10x32ELSwarovisi
> > on-116.htm
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